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smoking weed while pregnant

Discussion in 'Parenting' started by bluntwiz, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. bluntwiz

    bluntwiz Registered+

    Im planning on getting pregnant and i smoke pot regularly.. i know it ll be hard for me to stop but am willing to do so for the wellbeing of my baby..

    my husband and i constantly argue about this.. he doesnt smoke and hates the idea of me smoking while pregnant.

    ...i was wondering what your opinions are on this...
     
  2. texas grass

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    my wife smoke every day, shes 7 months pregnant. i ran out of buds for the first time 2 days ago and it was the sickest and worst she has felt since finding out she was pregnant. shes sick all day long. throws up all the time. i feel its safe as long as the source of cannabis is clean(medical grade/organic). our human body naturally produces cannabinoids, and cannabinoids serve as major helpers to the way our body functions as a whole.
    chronic chrissy seems to have some great info on pregnancy, mothering, babies. and im trying to learn as much as i can to make sure my baby has a healthier safer and happier life than i have
     
  3. moebius420

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    There has been a lot of evidence that is being ignored by the medical community which shows that cannabis may be healthy for the fetus and the baby. The following link has some good research, however, make sure you understand the laws of your area. I remember reading somewhere that some hospitals that do drug testing will consider it child abuse if they find proof of cannabis use.

    Here are the articles:

    DREHER'S JAMAICAN PREGNANCY STUDY

    Ganja Mother, Ganja Babies
     
  4. flyingimam

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    trying to sort thru more unbiased sources, i came up with this

    Marijuana and Pregnancy on MedicineNet.com

    so, it seems a 9 month break aint gonna hurt! or maybe thats just me, i take risks, but not the ones that may possibly mess with some1 else's life!

    if i were u, i would rather stay safe than sorry, would take a long break! (i have not smoked in 1.5 years and doin just fine, switched from "heavy use on daily basis" maybe only the first 10 days or so u will have some withdrawal symptoms)

    or i would heavily and scientifically research it. i think u can use your local library and their online subscriptions to real scientific journals (not media links or newspapers) to find more accurate info and perhaps more updated stuff on this issue.

    but who am i to give advice...
    this is your personal matter, involving your child though, but still remains your choice not any1 else's. thus, its your responsibility to make the most educated choice, so u wont regret it later on.

    EDIT: oh i forgot to mention, im not sure, but smoking weed while pregnant if caught by authorities may result in child abuse charges! i donno, just guessing!
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2008
  5. bluntwiz

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    yes but i heard things about it relieving morning sickness etc. and actually heard positive things about it...


    its a tough decision =/ i dont want it to harm my baby in any way.. so i think i might just quit for 9months.
     
  6. Chronic Chrissy

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    My doctor and midwife actually told me to keep smoking( smoked multiple times a day every day right up through labor, then Breastfed for 11 months). They told me that the stress me and my body would experience by stopping whould be harmful. It also does great things for morning sickness and for you pg moms who can't put on weight during pregnancy like me(I started at 115 and gained only 18 lbs, 6lbs 7 ozs of that was baby) it is great too. I'm an active part of multiple internet communities of very well educated knowledgable women who use mj through their pregnancies and while breastfeeding. There was a study done here that you should look through
    Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study

    I have No doubt that there have been many more studies done, they have just been unable to get them published, there is so much censorship in our society.

    Here she is talking about her study
    YouTube - Marijuana Cannabis Use In Pregnancy Dr. Dreher

    And here is an article I copied from another forum for you.

    "Dreher's Jamaican Pregnancy Study
    More Suppression of Marijuana Research
    By Fred Gardner

    The full Dreher Study itself can be found at Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study

    In the 1980s Melanie Dreher and colleagues at UMass Amherst began a longitudinal study to assess the well-being of infants and children whose mothers used cannabis during pregnancy. The researchers lived in rural Jamaican communities among the women they were studying. Thirty cannabis-using pregnant women were matched for age and socio-economic status with 30 non-users. Dreher et al compared the course of their pregnancies and their neo-natal outcomes, using various standard scales.

    No differences were detected three days after birth. At 30 days the exposed babies did better than the non-exposed on all the scales and significantly better on two of the scales (having to do with autonomic stability and reflexes).

    Follow-up studies were conducted when the kids were four and five (just before entering school and after). The moms were defined as light users (1-10 spliffs per week), moderate (11-20), and heavy (21-70). Consumption of ganja tea was also taken into account.

    The children were measured at age four using three sets of criteria: the McCarthy scale, which measures verbal ability, perceptivity, quantitative skills, memory and motor; a "behavioral style" scale measuring temperament, based on a 72-item questionnaire filled out by the child's primary caregiver; and a "quality of housing" index to indicate socioeconomic status.

    "No Differences at All."

    When they controlled for the household ratings, Dreher recounted April 8 at the Patients Out of Time Conference in Santa Barbara, her team "found absolutely no differences" between the children whose mothers were non-users and the children from the three groups of users. "No differences at all."

    When testing the children at age five, Dreher measured school attendance and introduced an additional measure, the "home scale," accounting for stimulation in the physical and language environment, and other inputs affecting development. " Low income Jamaican children do not have a lot of toys," Dreher noted, "but It is not unusual for a two-and-a-half year old to be washing out her father's handkerchiefs to learn some adult skills."

    As with the age-four studies, no differences were found among the exposed and non-exposed groups. But analysis of the home scale revealed that "stimulation with toys, games, reading material" was significantly related to measures on the McCarthy scale -verbal, perceptual, memory, and general cognition- and to mood. There was also a relationship between basic school attendance and McCarthy-scale measurements.

    "We can't conclude that there is necessarily no impact from prenatal ganja use but we can conclude that the child who attends basic school regularly, is provided with a variety of stimulating experiences at home, who is encouraged to show mature behavior, has a profoundly better chance of performing at a higher level on the skills measured by the McCarthy scale whether or not his or her mother used ganja during pregnancy," said Dreher.

    "Hello, hello! If you go to school you're going to do better on these criteria. It doesn't sound like a very interesting finding but given what everybody else was finding, we thought it was pretty darned interesting."

    After recounting her methodology and conclusions, Dreher said: "This study was published in 1991 --15 years ago. What is the impact of this study? Absolutely none! A recent article by Huizink and Mulder reviewing all the literature on cannabis use in pregnancy reports only two longitudinal cohorts -- Peter Fried's Ottawa Prenatal Prospective study and Richardson and Day's Maternal Health Practices and Child Development study. They reported increased tremors and startles (Fried); altered sleep patterns (R&D); signs of stress (Lester); impulsive and hyperactive behavior at six years old, more delinquent behavior, more impulsive behavior..." The review article didn't even mention that Dreher's Jamaican findings differed from those cited!

    Peter Fried has been the darling of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, well funded for decades after discovering that children whose mothers had smoked marijuana showed impaired "executive function." In 2003 Fried was asked by Ethan Russo, MD, to contribute a review article to a book on Women and Marijuana. Fried's reference to the Jamaican study in the Russo book did not identify it as a longitudinal study, even though he had been a consultant to the project.

    When Dreher sought funding to re-examine her cohort at ages nine and 10, "NIDA said they were not interested in funding this study anymore, but if I made Peter Fried a co-principal investigator, they would consider funding it... So, the research has languished. Which is a shame." She's looking for alternative funding. Last summer Dreher returned to Jamaica and located 40 of her original subjects. They are now adults and many are parents. "They are doing quite well," she generalized.

    Dreher criticized the media response to research, which tends to focus on alleged negative aspects of use. "Peter Fried himself has said 'very little impact up to three years old. Beyond that age, no impact on IQ. No relationship of marijuana use to miscarriage, to Apgar status, to neonatal complications, physical abnormalities, no impact on cognitive outcomes' until, he says, age four. His tremor and startles findings did not hold up," said Dreher, "neither did [his findings of differences in] head circumference, motor development and language expression. None of those data are really in the literature for people to see. This results in a lot of misunderstanding on the part of the public."

    Dreher asked: Why the reluctance to acknowledge this study in the peer-reviewed literature? She answered first as an anthropologist: "There is a terrible arrogance and ethnocentrism in the science that refuses to accept the experience or the science of other cultures." She cited Ethan Russo's "irrefutable" review of cannabis use by women in other cultures.

    "Contemporary evidence from the UK, Denmark, Jamaica, Israel, the Netherlands, even Canada tends to be disregarded unless it's funded by NIDA with Peter Fried as the principal investigator."

    Dreher recommended a 1989 Lancet article called "The Bias Against the Null Hypothesis" in which the authors reviewed all the abstracts about the maternal use of cocaine submitted to the Society of Pediatric Research in the 1980s. Only 11% of negative abstracts (attributing no harm to cocaine) were accepted for publication, whereas 57% of the positive abstracts were accepted. The authors determined that the rejected negative papers were superior methodologically to the accepted positive papers.

    Honest Research Impeded

    Dreher decried "the politics of trying to get published." She now sees it as "a miracle" that Pediatrics published her work on neonatal outcomes, however belatedly, in 1994. (Her paper on five-year outcomes came out in the West Indian Medical Journal before Pediatrics ran the neonatal outcomes.) She suspects that a review of "all the fugitive literature that's out there that didn't get published" would convey "a very different picture of prenatal cannabis exposure."

    Honest research is also impeded, Dreher said, by "the politics of building a research career. Most research is done by academics and academia is a very conservative environment where tenure often is more important than truth." (Dreher is now Dean of the College of Nursing at the University of Iowa.)

    The end result of biased science, Dreher observed, is a misinformed public. Recently, she "googled to see what was out there for the general public regarding pregnancy and marijuana." Typical of the disinformation was an article entitled "Exposure to marijuana in womb may harm brain' that began "Over the past decade several studies have linked behavior problems and lower IQ scores in children to prenatal use of marijuana..." A reference to Dreher said she had "written extensively on the benefits of smoking marijuana while smoking pregnant!"

    Dreher concluded: "Marijuana use by pregnant women is a big red herring that prevents us from looking at the impoverished conditions in which women throughout the world have to bear and raise children. These women are looking for the cheapest, most available substance to alleviate their morning sickness and to give them a better sleep at night in order to get the energy to do the work they have to do every day in order to support those children.

    "A red herring is something that distracts us from what's really important. Instead of restricting our search for relatively narrow outcomes, such as exectuive funciton, we need to be looking at school performance, peer relations, leadership skills in children, prenatal and family relations, healthy lifestyles. Are they participating in sports? Are they using tobacco and alcohol and other substances?

    "NIDA and the NIH still prefer to fund randomized clinical trials that have to do with symptom management in specific diseases. We need research on how marijuana affects the quality of life.

    "It's not an evolutionary accident that the two activities needed to sustain life and perpetuate life, eating and sex, are pleasurable as well as functional, and that marijuana enhances both of these activities."

    FDA Further Discredits Itself

    The Food and Drug Administration issued a groundless "statement" April 20 asserting that "no scientific studies" supported the medical use of marijuana. The statement was not the work of a panel of experts reviewing recent research. It was issued, supposedly, in response to numerous Congressional inquiries, but actually at the behest of the DEA and the Drug Czar's Office. Its release on 4/20, a day of special significance to marijuana users, shows the juvenility of its authors, who apparently regard Prohibition as a little game they're playing with the American people. (Legend has it that four twenty was the time that pot smokers at Tamalpais High School in Mill Valley got together. Or was it the police code for a pot bust in New Jersey? In any case, millions of cannabis consumers are hip to its meaning, and so are those wags at the Drug Czar's office.)

    NORML was holding its annual meeting in San Francisco when the FDA issued its statement, and although predictable expressions of outrage were forthcoming, the additional media attention was not unwelcome. More than three quarters of the American people know that marijuana has medical utility, so the FDA statement further undermined the credibility of the government. (This is the same FDA that recently approved a stimulant patch for kids with "Attention Deficit Disorder" even though the patch has induced fatal heart attacks.) In the days ahead we can expect a wave of op-eds and letters to the editor referencing the thousands of relevant studies on the medical efficacy of cannabis.

    The New York Times played the FDA-statement story at the top of the front page 4/21. Reporter Gardiner Harris included three strong quotes refuting the government line, ending with Dr. Daniele Piomelli, a professor of pharmacology at the University of California, Irvine, who said he had "never met a scientist who would say that marijuana is either dangerous or useless."


    Melanie Dreher, RN, PhD, FAAN explains her study in Jamaica. Pregnant women and their children were studied over ten plus years, both marijuan smokers and non smokers. One of the first scientific study of the effects of cannabis on pregnancy and the child's development."
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2008
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  7. SFGurrilla

    SFGurrilla Registered+

    Cannabis is linked to lukemia in babies.
     
  8. Chronic Chrissy

    Chronic Chrissy Registered+

    My I ask where you got this information? Usually when people talk about something as seriouse as their children and pregnancy they are looking for facts and experiences, not one sentence with nothing to back it up.
     
  9. bluntwiz

    bluntwiz Registered+

    Hi there,

    thanks so much for taking the time to respond to my question. I really appreciate it.

    I will look into the links you posted =)

    thanks again.:)
     
  10. FakeBoobsRule

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    There's more threads on this subject scattered throughout the site so you can do a search and feed some of them.

    I'm not going to tell you one way or the other but that study on the Jamacian mothers and their babies is always brought up.

    You should know that there are serious flaws in the design of that study. Test groups of 20 and 24 babies does not make a good study. To take luck and random events out from a medical study, the test groups need to be big enough that statistical deviations can be seen and applied. This usually requires groups in the thousands of patients. To look at what happened to 44 babies and try to state with any degree of certainty that the results of the study can be applied to entire populations is quite ridiculous. This goes both ways whether the results are desired or undesired. I'm not saying the study doesn't have any merit to it but when reading the study and its results, the design of the study should always be taken into account. This includes sample size to who was funding the study to whether it was a double blind study to peer review, etc, etc, etc.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2008
  11. mjmomma

    mjmomma Registered+

    a small voice of a large experience

    I was a daily toker when I became pregnant, but I stopped smoking for the duration of the pregnancy. I did, however, discover the beauty of edibles. The baby wasn't ingesting smoke, but my anxiety and nausea were curbed. :thumbsup: And isn't shopping so much more fun when you're high? All those cutesy little baby things just look a little cuter.

    Smoking does lead to low birth weight, weather it be herb or cigs.
    Edibles eliminate that smoke into your lungs, and yet you get a full body high that lasts longer, and hey: you can eat your treats ANYWHERE! Who the hell looks at a pregnant woman strangely for eating candy and brownies at work? Or in her car? Or wherever?

    I had a wonderful O.B. who was from Canada and told me quite frankly that the only possible risk would be that of low birth weight. The U.S. has not put one single penny into researching what cannabis does to a fetus, so that alone should tell you something.
    p.s. my child was born almost 11 pounds (those edibles are a bit fattening) and his mental development has been at an extremely highly advanced level for 15 years now. :)
     
  12. systemrobot

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    my marijuana baby

    hi...just wanted to share my experience with the good herb and pregnancy....my wife smoked everyday...was not sick even one day...my baby was 10lbs 6.4oz....the record for the hospital....has not been sick one day in 9 years....and whip smart too... actions speak louder than empty words ...
     
  13. catlova

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    My wife is pregnant and was sick as a dog. Nothing the doctor prescribed worked to relieve it. She is 28 weeks now and past the sick stage, but I wish I would have found this post earlier. Thanks for the info everyone, I might need it for next time.
     
  14. moody420

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    I've heard that it's ok to toke while being pregnant and can greatly decrease nausea and morning sickness....I'm sure there is some medical value but I would definitely talk to your doctor before making any real decisions. I've never been pregnant so my feedback is purely my opinion!

    Congrats on becoming a mommy!!! :jointsmile:
     
  15. SongsOfFreedom

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    I doubt some to take away the sickness and pain is going to hurt, maybe you should start cooking it or vaporizing to be healthier If you smoke a lot now you may want to try and cut back so you dont start smoking a lot more in your pregnancy. And I doubt you'll be able to smoke nearly as much as you do know for the first few months at least when the babies born so if you would find it hard to quite altogether then cutting back now would be a good idea.
     
  16. middieman440

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    i wouldnt smoke while pregnant,because smoke is smoke wether it be from bud or tobacco i doubt any of it would be good for the baby,smoking for the first few months wouldnt be bad bad but when the baby is growing say 3-5 months i would stop....
     
  17. Chronic Chrissy

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    You must be a man because you have it backwards, lol *giggle*. If your concern is impact on the baby and had to chose the one trimester on which enviromental influences have the most likely chance to effect normal development, it is the first trimester when foundations are being laid.
     
  18. dadani

    dadani Registered

    hi there...what about smoking hashish...is it the same?
     
  19. Ub3rB0ng

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    My wifey is currently pregnant,I believe around 30 weeks.She is still smokin' as it helps aleviate her aches and pains and whatever else she may have going on. My oldest who just turned 3 is super high functioning and super smart and his mom smoked while preggers with him. Main thing you gotta do is find out what the rules for whre you live are,and talk to doctors and find out what they are cool with.
     
  20. usda101

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    I responded to a similar question on another site an got alot of people upset, so i will try to be less provocative.TRUST ME BW. LISTEN TO WAT UR MATERNAL INSTINCT are TELLING U DONT DO IT ,IT CANT BE GOOD FOR THE BABY .an if you find the temptation to strong an have to have it ,i would think about getting a vaporizer or edibles an im not sure how safe they are,but they give you an alternative to smoking an the carcenigens that comes with it .but until then smoke one for me !!! sucks not having a girl who smokes so i feel .
     

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