Both plants are looking pretty ratty as a whole, laying over in every direction but up, as expected at 9 weeks +. They will just get PH'd water from here on. Wappa Icebreaker Held up by the tent wall, poor tired old gal. Hey Weeze, should you see this, what's your finishing time with the Icebreaker (though I realize you finish them outdoors). The breeder's marketing guys suggest 8 to 9, I usually need longer than advertised, with everything.