trimming shade leaves???

Discussion in 'Advanced Techniques' started by WidowMaker, Feb 7, 2004.

  1. WidowMaker

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    I have been reading apparently contradictory statements concerning trimmming the shade leaves on growing plants...I have a very small cabinet (2.5' x 3') and currently 3 plants in the mid flowering stage...they are pretty close in there, and I thought it wise, after consultation w/several online sources, to trim some shade leaves...Then I started reading some contradictions, from Ed Rosenthal el al, suggesting the trimming has a price, oftentimes too steep of a price, ie, disease, stunting or even hermaphroditism...Nothing I can do now, having trimmed 2 dozen or so shade leaves, but in the future, should I clip these huge shade leaves, or leave them be??? :rolleyes:
     
  2. tyrone

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    I usually trim fan leaves cos im in the same boat as you with the space
    ive found it doesnt seem to harm the plants or not that i can see.
    i also trim alot of the leaves on the stalks it seems to produce alot flowers near where the leaf has been cut from.ED rosthensal did recommend it closet cultivator but it might only apply to certain set ups???????????
    you might be right with the hemaphrodite bit cos i did get it a lot from the first couple of generations after i started pruning but there not that frequent now there on the 6th set of clones it seems to be dying out.good luck :D
     
  3. Boojum

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    Don't ever trim the shade leaves, they make the plants food so the bud can grow nice n big, and trimming may overstress the plant & turn it hermy.
     
  4. bonbon

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    :confused: :D a quote from jorge cervantes"contrary to unfounded rumors,hacking away at healthy plants will not make them produce more.cutting tops diffuses hormones and slows overall growth"jorge's Rx,grow america magazine. :rolleyes:
     
  5. Boojum

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    Dunno, I wouldn't prune or trim shade leaves, but topping the plant at the right time causes it to produce 2 colas at the top, not something I'd do if you got a lot of headspace in your grow room, but if you stealth growing in a small cupboard, or doing a scrog, topping is worth it, as I understand it (I'm a pretty novice grower myself, but I recon I've probably read a whole oxford english dictionarys worth of grow tips, it's often hard to tell the good advice from the bad, since a lot of authors seem to just recycle the work of earlier authors without actually testing themselves). Hopefully as time passes, more growers will post here, as the only real way to learn directly from folks who've tried it, experience beats 'book learnin' any day.

    Oh, sorry, and I don't mean to contradict you, bonbon, just adding my take on it (I'm in a bit of a bolshy mood, so I've probably forgotten my socail graces)
     
  6. bonbon

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    greeting's boojum,I concur with you 100%,personal experience along with a little common sense are the definitive method's of learning.I happen to own quite a few book's from both of these renowned author's,(Rosenthal,Cervantes)and they advocate completely different method's,I tilt toward's Rosenthal's observation's,but i've gotten a good deal of info from the both of them,I guess that prove's that there are more than just two way's of doing thing's. :confused: :rolleyes: :D
     
  7. tyrone

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    trimming shade leaves

    greetings fellow growers..
    ive only being growing a while myself and ive also found that a lot books give
    totally different methods..
    is their any authors you reccomend for begginers ive only read closet culticator by er and european cultivation by mel thomas
    any other tips would be welcome... :cool: :)
     
  8. bonbon

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    insiders guide by mel franks is a real informative read and it cover's a lot of detail's.bonbon
     
  9. Gardenking

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    i've read so much my eyes are popping out!!! :eek: te only thing i can say about the subject is learn from your own experiances...try ''ALL'' the methods and see which one works best for you...
     
  10. Taking off sun leaves is not generally advised. Sun leaves are the energy source for plant growth. The exception is if a sun leaf can be removed to expose a growing shoot to direct light and IF plant nutrition is optimum.
     
  11. ozsmoka

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    hey peeples
    I see the shadeleaves as solar panels. may be the safe amount to trim is goverened by the light available. logic tells me that a plant must be able to survive natural predators attacking them. if trimming of leaves is dictated by amount of light maybe different hemisphere strains react differantly to pruning.
    I grow outdoor. I have found I can prune to make bushy plants but growth overall is definately retarded. Stress seems to govern hermaphoriditism 75%.The only safe way to take shadeleaves is till wait till budding occurs and remove yellow leaf- but by then its to late if your growing in ltd space. I prune very moderately from time to time seems to be okay. I'd suggest try strains with diff light requirements. Eventualy youll find a genetic match for the type of growing you require.
    Dont beleive everything you read. Best to experiance.
    peas
     
  12. Colombian Chronik

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    ?HUH?

    tell me more about this forming 2 colas thing. it sounds like it mihgt work for me. PAZ :D
     
  13. Disco

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    I always think of the sun leaves as solar panels and if you cut the the big solar panels off then somthing has to slow down .
    I never done it coz i always had this thought and wouldn,t argue.
    Mind i,ve heard of this many times b4 in different books and posts.
     
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  14. david420

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    trim too many -no way for the plant to make it's food and too much stress they'll go hermy. trim too little - some of the buds wont develop as much as they could cuz of lack of sunlight.
    just trim a few of them so the lower buds get a little more sunlight but not too much.. lol
     
  15. Boojum

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    The multiple colas thing is that if, while the plant is still vegging, you top off the growing tip of the plant, it will cause the plant to branch, and produce 2 growing tops. When you flower, each of the growing tops will form into a cola (group of buds), giving you two main colas instead of one, but they won't grow as big or fast, so it's more suited for growers with a limited growing height.
     
  16. MVilleToker

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    This is my first time growing , plus im 15 and dont reallly know alot bout prunning so cood you explain how 2 top the plant off.
     
  17. jolly green giant

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    i think i agree. ive trimmed plants mid flower and had some weird results compared to the same plants of a crop that havent been trimmed. slow growth and hermies, and some where seed pods appear at the junction of stems.
     
  18. sawleaf

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    The only time I ever trim off any of them really is during the flowering. But very moderately. Usually one leave per plant every few days, and just the ones that are shading the buds from good light.
     
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  19. magneslee

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    light, light, light, if light is geting to the bottem of your plant then your good , but i dont hesitate one second to grab the clippers durring flowering , the plants light needs decrease at an increasing rate and the need for the flower pedel to get the light this perduces nice big buds , sorround your plant in mylar or go down to home depo or wallmart , and pick up some florecent bulb mounts and put tubes that are made for groing ( not the floresent bulbs that usaliy go in them ) and put thease on the side of your plant to ad light , do not put them lower then half of the size of your plant tho , if you place them to low you will confuse your plant and stun it
     
  20. rickone

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    man,......i always keep the fan leaves cut, this allows more light to come in...i've never had any problems,...however, look @ plants EVERYDAY....for males,...when one shows kill it....
    rickone
     

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