The first grow is in full effect. Everything seems to be going pretty well. Cloning is desired and wondering when this should happen. It has been four weeks and about three days since the seeds were planted and sex has yet to be determined. This is a smallish set up in a roughly 4x4 foot area that is about six feet tall. 400 mh conversion bulb and a 400w hps bulb waiting to be used for flowering. When should the cloning begin and what is the most inexpensive way to do this ? I have the cloning gel and trays and stuff, I just don't yet have the lights or the container that is going to be used for this. One other issue....the plants are looking great, but sometimes the leaves get all droopy certain times of the day, for example at night a few hours before the light goes off. In the morning they look fine, but the later on they sometimes get all droopy and sad looking, then they mysteriously perk up. Other than that, all systems go. Thanks for your help. I will post pictures of this rookie garden soon.