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I guess my point is that "Those who talk, don't know. And those who know, don't talk" How many time's have you seen Paul Stanford bragging in the news papers? Yet, I've seen him on the front line, testifying for his patients... (I choose THCF as my doc, but am not affiliated with them in any way)
There are many others in this state that help further our cause.... The reason that most people don't know about them is that they keep their heads down and get their work done... Did Steve help get our laws clarified... NO! A conscientious group of PATIENTS did, by showing up at the Health Dept. meetings... I'm in firm agreement that we need change, and even direction.... I just think that anyone who calls themselves a "Leader of the MMJ Movement" has a 98% chance of being a douchbag who's in it for the wrong reasons... That is, of course, my opinion... |
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So I understand you all about some movement leader, you all say steve Didn't do shit for us?? I can tell you different, but I don't think I would be able to get past a bad taste in your mouth.... did anyone see paul stanfords leading exhibition 6 plants and nothing over 12 in. x 12 in. square as our LEADER WHO IS FOR PATIENTS RIGHTS, sorry boys and girls, but if you go by your experiences with this, I say you are just SHEEP looking tobe lead....
If you want tobe or find a new leader, buck up !!!! My son and I do, look at State v. James E. Barber out of whitman county that went all the way to the supreme court of wa. and was denied because the 2 little girls, WHERE WAS PAUL,DODGE AND ORVALD, HIDING UNDER A ROCK SHACKING LIKE SCARED LITTLE GIRL'S, THEY PROMISED TO SHOW UP, SO WE DIDN'T SUBPOENA THEM, SAD FOR MY SON AND HIS FELONY CONVICTION TO ADD TO TRACY AND SOPER MEMENTOS NOTCHED ON PAULS BELT .... The 15 plant any size came from this case PEOPLE, IF YOU CARE TO LOOK AT THE TRUTH, THE REASON WE EVEN HAD THIS ISSUE WAS BECAUSE SANDYBARR GOT INTO THE TRENCHES AND FORCED THEM TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN TORTURE US PATIENTS, ROB US BLIND, AND WE NOW HAVE BOTH STEVE AND SANDYBARR TO THANK FOR THIS.....NOT PAUL FRAUDING PATIENTS WITH BOGUS PAPERWORK STANFORD, WHEN WE GET DONE WITH THCF, IT WON'T EXIST ANYMORE.... I PROMISE YOU THAT!!!! :thumbsup NOT TOO MENTION WE ARE ON ROUND 2 WITH ORVALD AND PAUL FRAUDING US......
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I THINK WE ARE ON THE SAME TEAM MY FRIEND.
I WAS JUST TAKEN TO JAIL FOR HAVING 2 GRAMS OF POT IN THE CAR AND MY CARD IN MY POCKET. THE WORST PART ABOUT THAT WHOLE SET UP IS THAT THE COPS VIOLATED THE RIGHTS OF INNOCENT KIDS TO VIOLATE ME, TAKE ME TO JAIL, IMPOUND RENEES CAR, AND HELD ME HOSTAGE FOR 6 HOURS WHILE MY PEOPLE TRIE TO BAIL ME OUT FROM THE BUCKLEY FEDERAL HOLDING FACILITY. NOW THE ORTING POLICE HAVE SERIOUS CHARGES AGAINST THEM FROM KIDS THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN VIOLATED BY "OFFICERS OF THE LAW". THEY COULD NOT GET A SEARCH WARRANT BECAUSE I AM FOLLOWING THE RETARDED RULES OF THE GAME THE BEST THAT I CAN. THE FEDS WERE SWARMING MY BLOCK UNTIL THEY FUCKED UP AND ARRESTED ME FOR DOING SOMETHING I WAS SUPPOSE TO BE LEGAL TO DO. YOU GUYS NEED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE MOVEMENT. I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS BATTLE. I WONT STOP FIGHTING UNTIL IT IS SAFE FOR ME TO DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD IN ORTING, THEN MAYBE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING ELSE IS OK.. |
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MOVEMENT LEADER
THATS SOMEBODY ELSES WORDS, BUT IT SOUNDS GOOD DONT IT???
LEAD THE MOVEMENT INTO A POSITIVE DIRECTION IS WHAT STEVE WAS SUPPOSE TO DO. HE DID ME SOME GOOD, OR I WOULD NOT HAVE KEPT HELPING HIM. WHEN I LEFT HIS HOUSE BEING WATCHED BY THE POLICE IT BOTHERED ME BECAUSE THEY FOLLOWED ME HOME, PUT EVERYBODY I KNEW AT RISK, AND FORCED ME TO HIDE UNDER A ROCK UNTIL THEY VIOLATED ME ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN ORTING. ONE COP THREATENED TO SHOOT ONE OF MY DOGS FOR CHANGING SEATS IN THE CAR WITH 2 KIDS IN THE CAR. I WAS ALREADY CUFFED AND STUFFED WHEN THEY DID THIS. THEY ARE IN BIG TROUBLE. IS NALA OK??? COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE SEND A SPY OVER TO STEVES TO SEE IF NALA IS OK??? I AM MAD AT STEVE FOR NOT STANDING UP LIKE A MAN RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY PATIENTS DID HE "SELL THE DREAM TO"??? |
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James,
I am very interested in what you have to say about Paul Stanford, I made it clear that I have no affiliation with THCF, I just know that they have showed up in court before and they answer my emails. Steve, on the other hand, I've heard that he's NEVER gone to court for his patients, AND likes to cut corners, sacrificing patient safety for his desire to make a buck. He runs through site admins like a full grown plant runs through water. Also, I can name 5 people that once worked "closely" with him, who now know full well that he is scum. Here's an interesting question, How can you claim that Steve's done so much for "The Movement" when you claim that you've never met him (In another thread) As far as sheep vs. wolf.... I'm a LION... Here to expose the wolves by spreading truth and knowledge... I guess my whole point is that people like Steve are here to make a buck at the expense of the sick and needy. He should be expose like the parasite that he is.... Again, I would LOVE to hear what you have to say about Paul "Phony Paperwork" Stanford... My papers are legitimate and well documented, I have to submit new papers even for a renewal. But again, this is my personal experience and may not be the same as every one else... |
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Ok, I did some research and something doesn't add up... Your son was denied status as a medical patient because you went to THCF and they had you seen by an OREGON doctor... Why didn't they (THCF) just admit their error and submit an authorization signed by Orvald?
I was visited by Westnet and they accepted Orvald's Recommendation. Again, I want to point out that it's SHIT like this that makes me stay away from anyone CLAIMING to be a "Movement Leader" For all I know, Paul Stanford and Steve Sarich are the same type of person... I maintain that our law was created by VOTER INITIATIVE... Our clarification can be attributed to PATIENTS VOICING THEIR CONCERNS... Paul S./Orvald, Steve S./Sentry/Cannacare, are not LEADERS, they're business people... My biggest problem with Steve S. is that he's willing to sacrifice patients to get laws changed... From what you say Paul S. is in that same boat. These are not the kind of people that I call a LEADER... But then again, I'm not looking to be led.... It angers me when I see so called "Leaders" leading people astray... Doesn't matter if you're talking about Steve, Paul, or Satan... It's wrong, and unless we band together as a community (By having conversation threads like this one) it will keep happening.... |
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Well I made paul hire orvald, the first day he started, I was his 3rd patient, I contacted my son in whitman co. and he said B.S. dad, you bumpt your head man, dodges paperwork is VALID under full faith and credit, you will see, paul said so, well as you can see, it wasn't, before my son got charged he did listen and went to bellevue and got orvald papers, the court denied him using it, same judge that did hanson, paul didn't charge my son for the orvald papers, as a matter of fact, orvald gave him a 600 gram 60-day supply, so after his conviction we started growing his 600 and my 3 oz. oregon limit that orvald gave me to replace dodges papers(my son & I have the same conditions..)
Now both of these are open-ended, no-expiration date, I didn't see orvald in wa. I saw him in oregon, I never been to the wa. clinic EVER..the feds tried to get my dodge documents in a grand jury phony baloney case, In re to subpoena of THCF medical clinics, was my documents the judge mentioned in the case of 14 plants, so we started growing in hoquiam, just so happens pauls mother worked at the hospital there and knew all the LEO in the county, get it yet?? We got set up big time, they popped our house within 60 days, the chef of HPD told us 2 days after they robbed us that if we go away and don't say shit about what they did we wouldn't get hosed by his DEA friends... WELL I DON'T EVER LAY DOWN FOR ANYONE EVER, WE SUED THE FUCKERS, almost 2 yrs later, my son gets charged and they pop me for 9.59 grams with paul, not orvald, writing a declaration of our guilt, stating we don't have valid documents from THCF medical clinics, if you read the complete laws and caselaw behind corp. practice of medicine, THCF is not validly licensed in wa. to conduct business because paul don't have a license to practice medicine, he is the ceo , EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A 501(c) 3 non-profit, he MUST HAVE A MEDICAL LICENSE TO DO BUSINESS IN WA., ALL PATIENTS SEEN IN WA. ARE FUCKED, FUCKED, FUCKED, LOOK AT 71 Wash. L. rev. 403: revising washingtons corp. practice of medicine doctrine, RCW 18.71.011, Dirk Yow v. The DOH unlicensed practice program,147 Wn.App. 807.. A person practices medicine if, AMONG OTHER THINGS, he/she: (1) offers or undertakes to diagnos, cure, advise, or prescribe for any human disease, ailment, injury, infermity, deformity, PAIN, or OTHER CONDITION, real or imaginary, BY ANY MEANS, or INSTRUMENTALITY: (4) USES ON CARDS, BOOKS, PAPERS, SIGNS OR OTHER WRITTEN OR PRINTED MEANS OF GIVING INFO TO THE PUBLIC, IN THE CONDUCT OF ANY OCCUPATION OR PROFESSION PERTAINING TO THE DIAGNOSIS OR TREATMENT[***10] OF HUMAN DISEASES OR CONDITIONS THE DESIGNATION " DOCTOR OF MEDICINE", "PHYSICIAN", "SURGEON"," MED", OR ANY COMBINATION THEREOF UNLESS SUCH DESIGNATION ADDITIONALLY CONTAINS THE DESCRIPTION OF ANOTHER BRANCH OF THE HEALING ARTS FOR WHICH A PERSON HAS A LIC. TO DO SO.... see, state v. pac. health ctr., inc., 135 Wn.App. 149(quoting people v. amber, 76 misc.2d 267... Now go to THCF website with all his in mind and look for yourself, If I was a THCF patient I would get a different Dr. and clinic to cover my ass, FAST, before NOV. 30, cause that is the day THCF will cease to exist in WA. ST., or at least the beginning of the end....and all wa. patients are in jeopardy of arrest and conviction, my bet is the att. general will seize THCF assets and who knows what else.... RUN MAN RUN.......... ![]() Keep in mind no caselaw exists for sentry or Dr. Jason LING, I can tell you Dr. LING is on the up and up, I been in the industry for over 10 yrs and been more than around the block... NO LING PATIENTS HAVE EVER BEEN CONVICTED,(to my knowledge, as you can see, I turn over every rock, pebble, sand grain) and that says a mouth full, regardless of any opinions about steve, steve don't exist in our laws of MMJ when it comes to the nitty-gritty... This is why I say so fucken what about OPINIONS of steve.... :![]() Last edited by jamessr; Oct-25-2009 at 03:11. Reason: no caselaw on sentry |
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possible solution
Why not let the president lead the movement.
Let him appoint people that can represent the State. Like a Union. THEN WE GET FIRED IF WE SCREW UP TOO MUCH. I KNOW I AM NOT GIVING UP MY GARDEN, AND I DONT SELL OR GIVE ANYTHING TO KIDS. What if Growers got Wholesale FOR THEIR EXTRA PRODUCE. Then the dispensories mark it up to about $300 to keep it off the street. If the game was fair to play, everybody could fit in somewhere and we can all have good meds. The plant RULE should just go away for people working to help people. How can you get in trouble for trying too hard??? I thought the 10x10 flower room per patient was reasonable for one patient, but with a PLANT LIMIT you also need a VEG room to support the flower room with plants large enough to flower. My plants go through about 4 re-pottings before they finish in 10 to 15 gallon pots of soil. HOW MANY DISABLED PEOPLE CAN DO ALL THE WORK TO MAINTAIN THIS TYPE OF GARDEN? ITS A PAIN. I want my GROW address registered on a list like an IP address. PLEASE CALL ME OR EMAIL ME, before they KICK IN THE DOOR. SOMETIMES I AM NOT IN THE MOOD TO BE IRRITATED. ![]() If comercial gardeners were growing with hopes to provide for dispensories, we may need to be seperated from everyday home growers that live in tight residential areas. You cant tell me to SAVE THE WORLD then put me in jail when we get close to being able to live. IF YOU LABLE ME A FARMER I WILL WORK MY ASS OFF. IF YOU LABLE ME WITH A TARGET ON MY FORHEAD I WONT PLAY THE GAME. I WILL JUST STAY HOME AND GET MY SMOKE ON BY MYSELF AND GOOD FRIENDS ALL DAY LONG. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() :S 5:
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Doctor Shopping for EACH condition that you have?.... How to survive the NWO?... Getting an OPEN ENDED Authorization AND OVER a # of meds FROM a DOC..... (These are James' topics from the Canna Corn website)
It is CLEAR that you and I don't share the same reality.... Never argue with a fool... People might not know who's who... |
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After letting THCF do business here since 2002 or whatever,Washington State would be liable for not shutting them down. Perhaps they haven't because Paul Stanford doesn't sign the authorizations.
What bothers me about the THCF clinic is their affiliation with the ACLU.Now that is cause for concern.I guess we will have to wait until December or so to see if James Sr is right. But don't go to Sentry and get caught up in the distribution ric act investigation.They are a bust.They can also kiss my ass and put a fucking check in the mail for 10,000 bucks for enabling law enforcement to have my medical records to conduct a knock and talk procedure with. Fact those fucking idiots get a business licensee I can sue for a HIPPAA violation.Since they were too fucking stupid. law enforrcement got away with breaking the HIPPAA LAWS because health and human services would not take the case..why because they were not a legal business. |
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Is this the same James Sr. that's blowing up the cannacare forums with all his "knowledge" of canabis? What is his role in the whole community?
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As FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM THE NEWS PAPERS IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT HAS BEEN HITTING THE FAN WORLD WIDE.
IF YOU HAVE BEEN VIOLATED LIKE ME, PLEASE SPEAK UP. QUIT BENDIN OVER SO MUCH FOR THE STATE. ![]() I THINK OUR STATE IS IN TROUBLE FOR BEING CORRUPTED. ![]() PRACTICE FREEDOM OF SPEECH TODAY!!! I AM TIRED, AND I CANT VOTE BECAUSE I WAS BAD BEFORE. JOIN THE BATTLE TODAY!!! TELL THEM WE ARE TAKING THE NORTHWEST BACK NOW AND WE WILL WORK HARD TO CORRECT THE MOVEMENT. SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO STAND UP AND SPEAK. I AM VOICELESS FROM YELLING SO MUCH. Contact the White House | The White House THEY WILL HEAR YOU LONG BEFORE THE DEAF GOVENER IN WASHINGTON STATE OR THE DOH. Contact the White House | The White House - IF YOU WANT TO HELP CORRECT THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA MOVEMENT. WHY SHOULD VETRANS HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR MEDS AT ALL??? WHY CANT WE WORK TOGETHER TO CORRECT THE MOVEMENT??? Contact the White House | The White House YOU DONT LIKE ME??? Contact the White House | The White House YOU ARE SCARED TO BE TARGETED??? Contact the White House | The White House ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() SOMEBODY HAS OUR BACK AND WE DONT EVEN HAVE TO BEND OVER FOR THE STATE.
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I SUGGEST YOU RESEARCH WHAT I POST, I DO ENTIRELY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER AND POST IT!!!!! THAT'S WHAT I DO IN MY COMMUNITY, AND THAT IS THE WHOLE ENTIRE STATE OF WASHINGTON.......ANYONE HERE EVERY HAD FAMILY IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WE ALL BITCH ABOUT? I HAVE AND KNOW THE GAME..... AS FOR JOHN WORTHINGTON, YOU LOST YOUR ASS IN YOUR PRA CASE BECAUSE YOU BIT OFF MORE THAN YOUR MOUTH CAN HOLD, YOU START ATTACKING ME SANDY, I WILL SINK YOUR SILLY ASS SHIP, REAL FAST...I DON'T PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS WHO ARE NO BETTER THAN THAT OF LEO RUNNING THEIR SILLY ASS MOUTHS....I TRIED TO HELP YOU AND SPITTING ON ME, AIN'T VERY WELL FOR YOU DUDE...YOUR ARGUMENTS IN YOUR CASE SHOW YOUR LOST MAN...VERY, VERY LOST |
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I GUESS YOUR REALITY IS CAN YOU SCREW ME WHEN I AIN'T LOOKING?? YOUR QUOTES OF MY POSTS IS TOTALLY MISREPRESENTING WHAT I WROTE, JUST SHOWS YOUR MENTALITY.....
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I THINK OUR STATE IS IN TROUBLE FOR BEING CORRUPTED.
JOIN CREW and do something about it, also you can access www.statewatchdoggroup.org to see whom to contact in wa., if their isn't one to your likeing, start one.... or keep whining....just stop whining here...
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Washington State would be liable for not shutting them down. Perhaps they haven't bec
Most likely this misunderstanding is why you lost your case sandy(john worthington), that isn't how it work dude, as I have stated read these cases then quote this you silly man, here is the first example of what stanford is doing, this is the law under corp. practice of medicine:
Suppose Dr. Smith, Dr. Jones, and nurse Brown incorperated to form a clinic to provide medical services to indigent persons in seattle, wa.. all 3 individuals are licensed in their respective professions and have exceptional records for providing superior quality care. The clinic operates successfully for sometime; it earns its reputation as an excellent source of care. However, a jealous competitor brings suit against the clinic to drive it out of business. The ground for the suit: the clinic violates the corporate practice of medicine ban. The outcome: Dr. Smith, Dr. Jones and nurse Brown lose their license to practice and the clinic is permanently enjoined from "practicing medicine". A corporation that practices medicine engages in the unlicensed practice of medicine, subjecting it to both criminal and civil liability.... Rcw 18.100.065 states in pertinant part: Except as otherwise provided in RCW 18.100.118, all DIRECTORS of a corporation organized under this chapter and all other officers other than the secretary and the treasurer shall be duly licensed or otherwise legally authorized to render the same specific professional services within this or any other state as those for which the corporation was incorporated.. sandy, this is for your spat: RCW 18.130.190. practice with outalicense-investigation of complaints-Cease and desist orders-injunctions-penalties (6) The attorney general, a county prosecuting attorney, the secretary, a bd. or ANY PERSON MAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THIS STATE GOVERNING INJUNCTIONS, MAINTAIN AN ACTION IN THE NAME OF THIS STATE TO ENJOIN ANY PERSON PRACTICING A PROFESSION OR BUSINESS FOR WHICH A LICENSE IS REQUIRED BY THE CHAPTERS SPECIFIED IN rcw 18.130.040 WITHOUT A LICENSE FROM ENGAGING IN SUCH PRACTICE OR OPRATING SUCH BUSINESS UNTIL THE REQUIRED LICENSE IS SECURED. (7) (a) Unlicensed practice of a profession or operating a business for which a license is required by chapters specified in RCW 18.130.040, unless otherwise exempt by law, constitutes a gross misdemeanor for a single violation. State v. tracy was 1... (b) Each subsequent violation, whether alleged in the same or in subsequent prosecutions, is a class C felony punishable according to chapter RCW 9A.20,State v. Soper is 2, State v. Barber is 3, now we both are charged again to pull paul,thcf, and all the doctors into the statute of limitations.... ![]() Now the most recent case is YOW v. DOH unlicensed practice program, read earlier post on the details of this case and how it applies to thcf and paul stanford practicing medicine without a license, aiding and abetting is also covered, this is the Dr.'s of thcf allowing paul to practice under their licenses, which is illeagal as hell.... THE REASON I WRITE THIS IS FOR PATIENTS, INFO FROM BEING SUBJECTED TO STATE PROSECUTION BECAUSE IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE... THIS IS NOT TO RUN PATIENTS TO SENTRY OR ANYOTHER CLINIC, IT'S TO PROTECT MY FELLOW PATIENTS PERIOD....THATS MY CONTRIBUTION TO MY COMMUNITY IN THE MOVEMENT OF THE MMJ WORLD IN WA.... ![]() ![]() EXPERIANCE IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU DIDN'T GET WHAT YOU WANTED....
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I CAN SUE FOR A HIPPA VIOLATION.
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The PRA case..lol what they fuck do you know canna flim flam man.
My civil case has been won before it has started.I counted on them lying,set them up to lie and they did.Now we head to a civil trial in front of a jury with LEO admitting they work for the feds backed by the courts.What can they say now..we don't work for the feds.. Do you think I could have gotten their federal paper trail thru public disclosure..They would have hid those documents just like they hid the others. Now I waltz into federal court in front of a jury and say here is how my state paid itself to work for the feds,and challenge the declaration of federal sovereignty.Please feel free to explain or forecast how the state gets out of this one.Explain with your expertise how they can pay themselves to declare a federal sovereignty. What good would a civil suit have done without the complete we are federal-here is where we made ourselves federal documents.Do you think you could have gotten them smart guy.They would have sat on that stuff til hell froze over.I got them to hand it over with a complete description of how they pay themselves to be a federal sovereignty.They showed me where to fucking look.Couldnt have done it without them.Why could I do it..because I counted on lying bastards to lie.How is that for forecasting. Now a jury is going to have a much different take on a federal declaration of sovereignty..particularly one that is not verified by the feds...It will be a wonderful trial with 39 multiple page exhibits that has the detail that is required to withstand immunity and summary judgement arguments. Oh and this one will go all the way to the U.S. Supreme court if I have to. I could care less about your THCF ramblings since I have little to worry about since it looks like a scarecrow in the field with a crow on his shoulder. |
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Zion, as for some of my posts, some of that info. came from this very cite right here, CANNABIS.COM, so what the fuck kind of non-surffer are you, one with blinders on, you don't follow anyone my ass dude, you don't even know whats on the cite you run your mouth on, just to slander a person attempting to educate patients in the real world of our laws... give me a break, how old are you 10 ??
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I filed a HIPPAA complaint and it was turned down because cannabiogen did not exist legally...period got the letter to prove it.They go into a regular Dr office with a license they take the case...period you fucking rambling scarecrow.
Go away and set some more bad precedence,maybe law enforcement and the criminal pot attorneys will send you a box of doughnuts. |
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SCARE CROWS ARE OK, TILL YOU GET SCARED BY ONE, OR REALIZE UPON A ACTUAL TOUCHING BY ONE, THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, LIKE YOU SAID, DEC. |
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