ATTENTION:AVOID GETTING AN AUTHORIZATION FROM SENTRY MEDICAL AND A NAVY DR..

THEY HAVE ADMITTED TO SELLING CLONES ON THIS SITE.SELLING CLONES IS ILLEGAL IN WASHINGTON STATE.LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN CONFISCATE ALL SENTRY MEDICAL PATIENT RECORDS TO DETERMINE THE SCOPE OF A RICO ACT INVESTIGATION.THIS GROUP IS RUN BY SOMEONE THAT HAS ALREADY HAD 200 OR MORE PATIENT RECORDS TURNED OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR SELLING CLONES AND NOT HAVING A BUSINESS LICENSE.

GO THERE AT YOUR OWN RISK.THIS ALLEGED MOVEMENT LEADER IS OWES HUNDREDS IN THE MMJ COMMUNITY AT LARGE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR FAILING TO PROTECT PATIENT DATA BY PAYING A 25 DOLLAR FEE TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR HIS PAST MEDICAL MARIJUANA CLINIC,AND SELLING CLONES WHICH IS ILLEGAL IN THIS STATE.

DO NOT GO THERE.

More conspiracy theories. I guess the medical marijuana issue breeds them. I'm not welcome in Steinborn's office. I haven't had one conversation with Doug Hiatt in months...and don't intend to. Muraco is not on speaking terms with Hiatt either. I have a particularly nasty relationship with Keith Stroup, who's still in charge at NORML. I do speak with people at Green Cross from time to time over MMJ issues, but we have no other relationship, business or otherwise.

I do speak occassionally with Nathan Miller, an attorney at MPP, over common legal issues. I never speak to Rob Kampia, the head of MPP, and I've never asked for any type of grant from MPP...and never will. I don't know why I would need "approval" to "operate" from NORML or any other organization.

I have always stated, very publicly, that our organization provides clones for our patients. I believe I supplied you with your first plants. I don't remember you complaining at the time. We have also replaced the gardens of countless patients that have had their gardens destroyed by drug task forces. We've done that for free.

I don't use dispensaries so I don't have a problem with them. In a way they are needed anyway to help bring attention to the hypocracy of our MMJ laws in our state anyway.
Legal to have MMJ but no way to safely get it? Doesn't make since. Almost everybody right now in the MMJ is doing it for the same reason right now. Money. So they indure considerable risk for possible monetary gains. They know the risks.
Its up to the potential customers to educate themselves so they don't have to indure the same risks. Buyer beware.

Yeah beware of Sentry medical.Even the patients that don't get the clones are going to get hosed by this stupid idiot.

Meanwhile he travels all over the west claiming to this Washington State movement leader,whose only claim to fame is being in the papers bragging about distributing clones..and getting predictibly caught..and getting 1400 people identified to law enforcement..then claims he has no money.What a stupid piece of chit .

Stay the Hell away from cannacare (cannaclone) and Sentry medical.

Please don't hide your identity here. Sandybarr is John Worthington. John used to be a friend (I thought) and fellow advocate. Don't get me wrong...he's been a real advocate. Now he's reduced himself to being nothing more than another ranting nutball. He apparently can't find another windmill to chase so he's turned on the last person that would have anything to do with him. I have no idea why he goes off on me, but it's starting to get annoying.

John...get a clue. Be an advocate...or be an assassin for the other side. You really can't be both. According to you, you're the only activist in Washington State. So why is it that you don't like anyone else, and defame everyone, and no one in their right mind will even speak to you anymore. Even state legislators won't take your calls or return your emails anymore. You are on more "ignore" lists than anyone else in the entire state.

Grow up John. Work and play well with others...or at least get a life. Attacking absolutely everyone in the community is not getting you anywhere. You're giving activists a bad name.

You apparently don't think that patients should have any clones (even though you didn't complain when I provided them to you). You also don't think that patients should have doctors that will write them recommendations...even though you got a free recommendation from the very same doctor that you are now slandering.

I have no idea what demons invade your mind every day...or why you want to tear down everyone...especially those who want to help you...but it truly is getting tiring, John. Get a life, bud. The rest of us have patients to protect.

Steve Sarich

Well mr. Movement leader on my shoulder can you show everyone here where the law says you can distribute clones???

Or explain why you and the navy Dr chose not to get a business license for that first round up clinic you had???

Or when you smart guys are gonna pay everyone for your fuck ups.

There you go trying to identify someone you gave clones to.What a guy for our side.....Hey everybody I sell clones ..and I sold some to this guy..

If the people that see this post dont know that you are up to no good I cant help them...

Cause its all true..All he can do is guess which person it is he has screwed over. and what he is best at.Identifying someone for law enforcement.You all saw it for yourself.That is the movement leader's way of helping patients..helping to identify patients.

Notice how he has all this information on who is blocking emails and who is getting busted..Know all see all Tell all.

Meanwhile he feuds with three different people all former victims,on this site..but they don't play well with others...they are crazy... criminals ..What I want is for him to play smart with others....Telling the world I distribute clones is just plain stupid.

The MMJ community has had enough damage done by this "movement leader".he is a league leader in patients identified 1400 and counting.Take a bow movement leader.

Shouldn't you be getting drunk off your ass riding a train somehwere you can't afford to go with money you supposedly don't have.lol

Gee John...this is perfect. You can have a whole thread to yourself to bash me. I don't need to respond...you apparently want to write all the responses yourself. Keep venting John. I hope it works for you. I hope something works for you.

I am sure the 60 people or so that have viewed this thread are being educated about the legal difficulties of distributing clones...If I can reach one person that may have gone to cannaclone medical,but decided not to it was all worth it.

This site has three other people that have beefs with you.Two clinc operators ,and two others.I have exposed you here for what you are.
I chose my time because someone else started the warning about you..then two more people chimed in. I just want people to be educated and make their own choice...If they choose you fine.Now if you rack up another 1400 patients it will be shame on them.

But since you are here care to explain where distributing clones is allowed in the state law,or why you and the Navy Dr chose not to get a business license???

You are a movement leader? The pied piper was a movement leader.They told me not to out names...you have tried to identify someone you have distributed clones to rather than explain yourself and your decisions.

Don't change the focus of this thread.Again Mr Movement leader where does it say in the law that you can distribute clones?Or why didn't you and the Navy Dr get a business license???That is the question for you here..not indentifying who or whom is posting the question, or who or whom you have distributed clones to.

I have met lots of people that claim you are a fed,narc or whatever.here I am just asking you simple questions..You don't want to give a staright answer to.My point has been that if you.and now others.. are under a rico investigation for distribution of clones,why keep distributing them?so you can reel in another 1400??

I would be letting the innocent patients down if I did not try and point out the obvious problems with joining a medical clinic that handed out clones.In fact I think I will go to another group that doesn't block my emails
lolololol,and we will go to the little nickel and explain to them the dangers of Sentry medical.This will be an interesting week.You leave a bigger trail of enemies than anyone in Washington


To be blunt I want you and the Navy Dr to pay up to the people you have exposed or to get out of Washington.

I'd say its about time you took your fucking vendetta somewhere else Sandybarr. Sarich didn't start this shit, you did. Your scare tactics are not doing anyone any good. You may as well put a fucking badge on yourself and quit smoking medication. You are giving medical marijuana a bad name. And don't come back giving me any of your bullshit either.

I know who he is..and the movement leader does too.As far as you are concerned you dwell this site to advertise your wares.Enough said.

I am here for one reason and one reason only to warn others about the dangers involved with participating with people that break the law.

The legislative session was long..and that was the place to make the changes in the law.Where were you and the movement leader..out pedling your whares.Galivanting in California or Nevada.

If I could have chosen someone to come to the aid of another MMJ website peddler,it would have been you.If I could have put money on it,I would be going off to Vegas like the movement leader.

My warning to others stands.The moderator will have to make a choice over website peddlers or public service announcements.

Being new here, I'm hesitant to say anything, but what the heck.

Sandy, you have made your point loud and clear. I think there at least 4 threads with you saying the same thing over and over.

I don't know who is right or wrong in the situation you speak of, but you are scaring new comers to the the mmj community with your constant talk of Rico and all that.

Your voice has been heard, now, please, can we get back to what we came for?

I agree wolf and I would say if your in Washington just grow your own like the rest of us.

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This thread was meant to call out the movement leader to explain himself and his decision making process.He refused to explain himself and only illustrated his true colors with an intent to identify someone and identify them as someone he distributed clones to.

As far as scaring someone .they have no idea what being scared is until they are talking to an attorney that is telling them that they are facing federal minimum sentence guidelines for being involved with organized crime with an amount of plants that can trigger a federal investigation.

I would have paid somebody $500 bucks if they would have told me all this before I had to pay an attorney $3,000,and be in the boat I am in now.

If I could go back and do it all over again,I would have kept to myself and hid under a rock. There is nothing good that will come of sharing,or grouping together particularly websites,as long as the law is written the way it is.

Most other patients I know do hide under a rock and they don't frequent websites.Only the innocent lambs , advertising cows or wolves do.

Like I said if I reach but one of the lambs it was worth it.

It really is time to tone the rhetoric down. Everyone from Washington that visits this forum knows what the issues are and thats all that needs to be said. They can now make and educated deision on what they want to do.

Yeah,It is time to tone down the advertising too.This site has more of that than rhetoric.

That would be great if every med patient in Wa could grow their own but its just not possible for everyone. Hence, they need a source, a reliable safe source. And the law needs to be made to reflect that and a moratorium placed on sources of safe medicine and raids.

Remember, the state is in a crappy situation, and we, the people, didn't put it there. The politicians did. And knowing that, they can't be trusted running a medical marijuana grow operation and meet all the needs, and do it successfully. They have proven their track record time and time again. Whether for non profit or profit and the 9% sales tax for profit sales would help bail out our spendthrift politicians who now need us.

The situation is this.

The initiative was written by people associated with Lawyers and Doctors.It was written to give us all an affirmative defense,while at the same time the feds were meeting in California to undermine the affirmative defense With federal grants,(see Conant v Walters discovery)Gregoire as AG went to meet with the drug czar McCaffrey,where she learned how to bypass the affirmative defense or we would lose federal grants.The feds made agreements to control drug task forces at the top or via a statement of assurances to uphold all federal laws.and got the states to pay 60 percent of the cost of undermining the laws affirmative defense.

We are being entraped by our own tax dollars.

The initiative has always been found to not address where the marijuana would be obtained to grow or possess except from illegal sources.They have known this for ten years.So we have a law that gives us a right to break the law and proove in court that we arent.Now I don't know about you but I think that is an awful law that does more for Doctors and lawyers than it does for patients...Well that should be no surprise considering who wrote it.

Now thru the course of dispensaries and co ops (Ed Rosenthal) has shown us how to set this all up legally,by conducting the selling and buying or distribution of the medicine.SB 6032 Should have brought forward the ways and means to operate under the umbrella of 885 d.but any resolution from the legislature on this issue will never make it to the floor.Frank Chopp controls what goes on the floor,and he has refused to put controversial bills onto the floor.He is chicken shit.

So it is up to the movement leaders to write and promote a new initiative.Our movement leaders are.Lawyers that work for ACLU,Norml,ASA, or pot clubs co ops and people that thrive on the law the way it is.

This session only one person showed up to try and change the law to get protections under 885 d,and that was someone that didnt have a pot club or pot clinic.So the body count for doing the right thing in Olympia right now is One.Some legislators asked this person to draw up the arguments,but Chopp and Democratic leadership was too chicken shit to even engage in any serious discussions of even a ballot measure for the people to vote on.

Another initiative is not going to happen. A new law is not going to happen. a ballot measure is not goping to happenWe are stuck with this piece of shit law because there will never be enough of us wearing the same t shirts and stopping traffic do show a ground swell of support.

They will continue to pick us all off like SGT york picking off a squad of Germans.One affirmative defense at a time.

Well it's time to change all that don't ya think? Couldn't we do it better if we were all fighting for the same thing, instead of fighting amongst ourselves?

If we continue to write our congressmen, senators, etc etc eventually they will have to listen.

I don't know what 885d is, can you link to it so I can read what it is you are talking about?

Has anyone started an epetition on the matter? Nothing will change if we don't help get it started.

Link to 885 d

DEA, Title 21, Section 885

This is the bill or referendum,that would enable us to conduct the distribution legally under the protection of 885 d.The trick is to get Republicans to support this ,not only for bi partisan support to show the democrats aren't the only ones being soft on crime,but to get the protections from too high of a tax burden.The Republicans need to protect the profitability of legal mmj distribution, just like any other small businesses profitability.


MEDICAL AND INDUSTRIAL MARIJUANA ACT

1. Acting on the recommendations from the Washington State Department of Health outlined in RCW 69.51A.080 (3), to implement a version of the New Mexico system, which would register medical marijuana providers as a duly Authorized employee of the State, Counties, or Cities of Washington, and pay them 1 dollar per year, in order to provide a safe legal supply of medical marijuana to patients that can not grow marijuana for themselves under the immunity of 885 d. This Referendum would add to RCW69.51A .005, and RCW 69.51A.010
2. Redefine the current state schedule for marijuana to remove Medical and Industrial marijuana from Schedule 1 in the Washington State Controlled Substances Act.
RCW 69.51A.080
Adoption of rules by the department of health — Sixty-day supply for qualifying patients.
3. (1) By July 1, 2008, the department of health shall adopt rules defining the quantity of marijuana that could reasonably be presumed to be a sixty-day supply for qualifying patients; this presumption may be overcome with evidence of a qualifying patient's necessary medical use.

(2) As used in this chapter, "sixty-day supply" means that amount of marijuana that qualifying patients would reasonably be expected to need over a period of sixty days for their personal medical use. During the rule-making process, the department shall make a good faith effort to include all stakeholders identified in the rule-making analysis as being impacted by the rule.

(3) The department of health shall gather information from medical and scientific literature, consulting with experts and the public, and reviewing the best practices of other states regarding access to an adequate, safe, consistent, and secure source, including alternative distribution systems, of medical marijuana for qualifying patients. The department shall report its findings to the legislature by July 1, 2008.
4. [2007 c 371 § 8.]

RCW 69.51A.005
Purpose and intent.
The people of Washington State find that some patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses, under their physician's care, may benefit from the medical use of marijuana. Some of the illnesses for which marijuana appears to be beneficial include chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting in cancer patients; AIDS wasting syndrome; severe muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis and other spasticity disorders; epilepsy; acute or chronic glaucoma; and some forms of intractable pain.

The people find that humanitarian compassion necessitates that the decision to authorize the medical use of marijuana by patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses is a personal, individual decision, based upon their physician's professional medical judgment and discretion.

Therefore, the people of the state of Washington intend that:

Qualifying patients with terminal or debilitating illnesses who, in the judgment of their physicians, may benefit from the medical use of marijuana, shall not be found guilty of a crime under state law for their possession and limited use of marijuana;

Persons who act as designated providers to such patients shall also not be found guilty of a crime under state law for assisting with the medical use of marijuana;
1. Any Duly Authorized State, County, or City employees licensed to grow medical marijuana for legal medical marijuana patients ; and

Physicians also be excepted from liability and prosecution for the authorization of marijuana use to qualifying patients for whom, in the physician's professional judgment, medical marijuana may prove beneficial.
RCW 69.51A.010
Definitions.
2. The definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter unless the context clearly requires otherwise.

(1) "Designated provider" means a person who:

(a) Is eighteen years of age or older;

(b) Has been designated in writing by a patient to serve as a designated provider under this chapter;

(c) Is prohibited from consuming marijuana obtained for the personal, medical use of the patient for whom the individual is acting as designated provider; and

(d) Is the designated provider to only one patient at any one time.

(2) "Medical use of marijuana" means the production, possession, or administration of marijuana, as defined in RCW 69.50.101(q), for the exclusive benefit of a qualifying patient in the treatment of his or her terminal or debilitating illness.

(3) "Qualifying patient" means a person who:

(a) Is a patient of a physician licensed under chapter 18.71 or 18.57 RCW;

(b) Has been diagnosed by that physician as having a terminal or debilitating medical condition;

(c) Is a resident of the state of Washington at the time of such diagnosis;

(d) Has been advised by that physician about the risks and benefits of the medical use of marijuana; and

(e) Has been advised by that physician that they may benefit from the medical use of marijuana.

(4)”Duly Authorized” Means any duly authorized officer: of any State, territory, political subdivision thereof, the District of Columbia, or any possession of the United States, who shall be lawfully engaged in the enforcement of any law or municipal ordinance relating to controlled substances.

(5) "Terminal or debilitating medical condition" means:

(a) Cancer, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), multiple sclerosis, epilepsy or other seizure disorder, or spasticity disorders; or

(b) Intractable pain, limited for the purpose of this chapter to mean pain unrelieved by standard medical treatments and medications; or

(c) Glaucoma, either acute or chronic, limited for the purpose of this chapter to mean increased intraocular pressure unrelieved by standard treatments and medications; or

(d) Crohn's disease with debilitating symptoms unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(e) Hepatitis C with debilitating nausea or intractable pain unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(f) Diseases, including anorexia, which result in nausea, vomiting, wasting, appetite loss, cramping, seizures, muscle spasms, or spasticity, when these symptoms are unrelieved by standard treatments or medications; or

(g) Any other medical condition duly approved by the Washington state medical quality assurance commission in consultation with the board of osteopathic medicine and surgery as directed in this chapter.

(5) "Valid documentation" means:

(a) A statement signed by a qualifying patient's physician, or a copy of the qualifying patient's pertinent medical records, which states that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient may benefit from the medical use of marijuana;

(b) Proof of identity such as a Washington state driver's license or identicard, as defined in RCW 46.20.035; and

(c) A copy of the physician statement described in (a) of this subsection shall have the same force and effect as the signed original.
3. [2007 c 371 § 3; 1999 c 2 § 6 (Initiative Measure No. 692, approved November 3, 1998).]
4. Notes:
Intent -- 2007 c 371: See note following RCW 69.51A.005.

Intent;
The legislative intent of this Referendum is to act on the legislative intent outlined in SB 6032 2007-2008.This Referendum would eliminate the gray market sales of medical marijuana, and allow the medical marijuana patients that can not grow marijuana for themselves, to have a safe reliable access to their legal medicine. This process would then be performed by Contractors that are duly authorized employees of the State County or City to perform this service in a legitimate business environment subject to fees and taxes.
The legislative intent of this Referendum is also to remove any obstacles for the growing and manufacturing of medical marijuana and Industrial hemp, by clearly defining the Washington State Controlled substances act, and 69.51A to exclude those activities from criminal punishment, and Schedule 1 of the Washington State CSA.

This Referendum will create new jobs and revenue for Medical marijuana activities that have already been determined by the people of Washington State to be legal acts under state law; and Create new environmentally friendly jobs and revenue for Industrial Hemp,which does not belong in prohibition.

where i come from people get rolled up in carpets for naming names. you're just as bad as him.

it's like the fucking wild west in this state right now.

And I thought this thread was finally going to calm down.lol

If thats the case sandy, I need advice then. I currently have a CDL and have to take random UA's. I have a recommendation through thcf right now, my question is I know I need a marinol script, but I know employeer will call the clinic to confirm my prescription. Heres my problem if I get my script through thcf my employeer will find out what else they do because they say it on the answering machine im worried to get it from sentry now because of this forum please someone help its a hastle to always carry quickfix plus its 30 bucks every time.

The employer won't know because its not them that call It will be the MRO from the lab. You are entering a gray area here for truck drivers. I know that marinol is federally recognized but It still might be a problem with the lab distinquishing the difference between marinol and cannabis.