I think you're ignoring the fact that you said most women are not intelligent. Whether you felt this to be true or not it probably should not have been voiced aloud as it just reaks of ignorance. In addition you are confusing courtship to equal rights.

In the end as human beings we are still animals. Just about every species in the animal Kingdom has a courting process they go through when trying to select a mate. We are no different. These "inequalities" you speak of are simply courting behavioral patterns that have been instilled in us for a very long time.

So basically you're a tough guy behind a keyboard? Are these things you would never say in public? Why be a person on an internet forum when you're not that person in real life? Honestly that's just pathetic, be yourself no matter where you are or who you're with.

I don't believe you've strengthened your argument at all with this post, you've just weakened it.

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You actually seem to be trying to provoke a ban or suspension. No one has said ban and you are ignoring the fact that you just slammed an entire Gender. People are only insulting you.

I'm glad you feel confident to post your thoughts on a forum and I can understand what it is you were trying to say however you did it all wrong. You came across as very abrasive and sexist. You even self admit to extreme sexism at times. You honestly expected to make this thread, say all that.. then acknowledge the fact that you're hiding behind your keyboard and not get any backlash.

You say you haven't met any intelligent women.. I am beginning to believe that it's because you are socially inept and are lacking common sense.

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Pot calling the kettle black? Go back and re-read your own post. You have a plethora of people telling you that what you said is really messed up. Perhaps you should re-read what you said and think it over.

If you still feel you've said nothing wrong then you are extremely obtuse in nature and I would have to say I would be glad to not know you in real life.

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Can anyone now please explain to me what equality is?
I think everyone has a different view...

To debate a subject that is purely opinion is crazy.
On the otherhand the OP did come off a little uhhh.... like an ignorant asshole, but I just don't think he is explaining himself well.

I think we should just treat eachother as equals, but also show the utmost respect for one another. And please be nice to your "ladyfriend" because she isn't just a piece of meat...she has feelings, thoughts, and opinions too! Same goes for you ladies to your "boytoys" haha....

And no punching people in the jaws unless that's how you both like to get down...

PLUR. Peace, love, unity, respect.
Word.

My take is this:
Equality means that if a couple were to split up, each would still be able to maintain a respectable standard of living (without alimony, which doesn't count lol), but as a team, they bring each of their capabilities into a pretty nice existence that is at least the sum of its parts.
Equality means having your own assets and education independent of your partner.
It means splitting up responsibilities based upon what each person likes to do, and is good at, instead of 'because you are a man' or 'beacuse you are a woman'.

I hate washing dishes. I love cooking. My equal partner hopefully would be someone who thinks that loading the dishwasher is a good trade for a gourmet meal! I don't mind cleaning the bathtub, but can someone taller than me PLEASE deal with the shower curtain hangers so I don't break my damn neck?
See what I'm getting at?

Equality means a division of labor that does not cause resentment in either party.

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I don't claim to know the first thing about growing anything; hell, I can't make a Chia pet sprout.

Daihashi, this and your last two posts were very good. I tried to positive-rep you but it says I have to spread some rep around first. I will come back to do so. You definitely deserve good rep on that.

I'm more and more convinced that the smartest, most interesting and perceptive people in the world are women. My female colleagues and the female nurses in our hospitals work with patients and see things on a whole different level than men do. It's amazing and it's a nice complement to the way we do business, and I appreciate it more the longer I witness it. Men are effective, too, obviously. It's the perception and intuitive nature they edge us on, I think.

This is one of the best explanations of equality I've ever read because it's practical and functional. Accurate, too.

I think equality in partnership or marriage is a give and take thing. It's not always totally equal, either. The boundaries move. Sometimes one person's carrying more of the load than the other, but it evens out in other ways. Successful pairings seem to depend on that flexibility so they can weather the rough patches like sickness versus health or poor versus rich, if that makes sense. I think that's why they put those words in wedding vows--to remind couples they've got to be flexible during the rough times.

Stinky: I could have written that! Exactly what and how I feel and do! Not only do I dislike doing the dishes, I hate to take the trash out. But, i do it!

Equal work should be equal pay! I don't know the present stats, but women still make less money than men for the same work, in most case's; not all!

Comparing men to women is like comparing medical mj to mexico schwagg! There are exceptions. I've seen men that can't do more than a weak woman and women that have the strength of some men.

We are not built equal. So we make up for it with manners and human compassion. That makes things a little more equal.

On another note: Who says life is fair! If were equal in every physical aspect-then what?

Dave, you are a wise man. Bring up an important point. WE do need to keep our minds open to learn and grow! Always improving ourselves! pr

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The fact that I have a great fondness for natural breasts has nothing to do with my views on womens' rights. Because I openly admire a part of the female body doesn't mean that I care nothing about their rights.

I suggested a new right for women to have, the right to be equally topless (despite my own personal/selfish feelings for it), and then you twisted it around to make it look like I don't care about their rights. I fail to make sense of your logic. You're not the sole spokesperson for all females; some really would like to have that extra freedom.

Your retorts sadden me, accusing me of not caring. I don't know why you're trying to argue with me using such misplaced accusations, I can't read your mind so whatever lead you to your conclusions I am not quite certain. I don't believe I've said anything to make myself sound sexist. You're a real cool lady, I hate to see you making generalizations and petty attacks at my character.

come on... truce!

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Boobies? Where?
Awwwww false alarm dammit

I got another flash of clarity... might have been the hexane fumes at work, or the tedious labor, buuuuut....

Early in the thread the concept of secure vs. insecure women and their responses to 'chivalrous' acts was brought up.
From where I sit, I'd like to remind the Y chromosome set that it would not make a man who is secure in his own gender image uncomfortable if his girlfriend wanted to pay for dinner.

You know what killed chivalry? Kindergarten teachers. Those evil creatures, in their flowered dresses and comfortable brown shoes, are teaching OUR CHILDREN that sharing and taking turns are how you treat others! DAMMIT, I demand a Congressional hearing!

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I don't claim to know the first thing about growing anything; hell, I can't make a Chia pet sprout.

I had to sign back on here when I started seeing the words "boobs" and "natural breasts" being used. Made me happy just thinking about them. Sorry if this offends anyone on a women's forum. I am trained in matters of the chest. Still miss that jiggly avatar that used to be on that former mod's profile, too.

I'll get busted for this by MRs. Byrd, but I'm already busted as it is. She looked in on the Web from school and saw that I'd been posting. Then called me because I am supposed to be helping the neighbors with some house-related work that their contractor canceled on. She thought I was slacking on the neighbors and not doing what I'd promised which was what I'd been instructed to do by you know who in cahoots with our neighbor's wife.

So I thought I'd say a bit more about equality and give and take. Maybe this is really about autonomy. Not sure this has to do with chivalry, but my wife'll make it about that when she speaks to me again. It is for men who're in marriages, though. I think it's inadvisable to get in the habit of routinely and consistently doing as instructed. Give and take is fine. You also have to set limits and do what you want. Like this.

Chances are, even when you do what you've been told, you're still not going to make them 100% happy. Like this.

Happy 25th anniversary next week, Bird!

GD I hate to tell you this....but they ARENT petty attacks and frankly, I'm not even mad at you so we don't need a truce.

They ARE the truth as I see it and at least you are a BIT more self-honest then Buddha there.

How did I know you had a "great fondness" for womens breasts?? (besides the generilization) because YOU brought it up. You expounded on it and YOU went into big long explanations with lots of cool words about boobs, breasts, etc etc..

We are discussing womens rights and what do you bring up? Her breasts. Her body. Nothing about the mind, capabilities, changes the women have made or any of that. Nope, straight to the boobies. That's what gave you away right there i'm afraid. You tossed in some nice chatter about "functionality" but I don't for one second believe you've given any REAL thought to the "rights" of toplessness involved.......I mean...PLEASE!! Don't make me laugh.

You may be fooling yourself but you aren't fooling me or many other women either.

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Women have been mistreated and abused throughout history. I really don't mind if they "try to play both sides of the game."

Autonomy--yep! But we all get tired of being alone.

Oh Doc, be careful, the doc's are getting arrested here for a little zealous examination!

Chest's: Perhaps using 'boobs' to describe women is superficial. However, boobs, dangly earrings, high heels and a nice smell. We do that for their attention and to feel good about ourself! So, we are getting it! I'd rather be stuck in a room full of men than women! Too many hormones-me included!

Boobs: superficial and seemingly temporary! That is a sensitive area. We are worried about breast cancer. The proper person with the proper touch, is very stimulating and the word SEX hasn't even cum up yet!

I for one--give in! If I am hornie, I don't care about Chivalry or who pays the dining bill! I ALWAYS PAY unless my money is handed back to me with two hands. One to hold me and one to make sure I keep it! And a little kiss to say, thank you, I appreciate that you care about me!

IT IS HUMAN TOUCH! If men like boobs, surely they must know how stimulating it is for us! Face it, some women have boobs we'd all like to have or the plastic surgeons would not have a job!

If we all went topless, no one would know what anyone looked liked. I am sick of being looked at from the boobs up! Or conversations with men and the only eye contact is to the boobs. How would men like it if we talked to their penis's!

More on the TOPIC!
We are not physically equal. Equality dies when we USE our bodies instead of our minds in our life selections! (I know, just ask my lawyer-cause ya gotta level the playing field when it's over and boobs have nothing to do with it)!

Green Des. Maybe you should start a thread on boobs! So, all of us can understand what it is men think and like about boobs! And if you'll still love her if she has a mastectomy!

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IF I HAD A DOUBLE MASTECTOMY TO SAVE MY LIFE, THIS BOOB TALK WOULD PISS ME OFF! So, I guess we need to stay with the Equality!

Before I am told, get Fake ones! Maybe they will look and feel good to someone, but they are not a good idea after breast cancer. They will hide any future cancer! pr

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Oh my. I agree with you, Pain Retreat. I just read Dave's comments above. He is nothing if not a boob man (and a pain in the ass!). That's because, bless his heart, he doesn't have much in the way of endowment in me. I am a modest B+ on a good day, but I won't have them amplified because I don't want the added potential diagnostic complications. I don't believe them to be a good thing for ladies even before cancer. He actually does work with chests, only he's normally concentrating on what's inside them.

He's better at equality and chivalry than most. I'll give him that. He fixed breakfast this morning and is now out there mowing the lawn. I'm on the computer instead of cleaning the house!!

Ummm.....coed draft works in Israel, and *ALL* are required to serve in the military for 2 years immediately after high school and before college.

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I once make a comment, to some people I was with in a restaurant, about Israel drafting women into the military and that this sounded like a good thing. A total stranger, an Israeli guy, came over and told me that Israel had the worst women in the world. Although he was laughing, he was serious.

Why the worst? On the basis of looks? On the basis that their military training took their femininity away? On the basis that they were too tough once they were soldiers to be any fun any more? I'm just curious what that description was based on.

I think the draft ought to go both ways, myself, if we have one If a tall, slender type like me can pass a firefighting physical, which wasn't easy but was possible with work, then nearly anyone can. We'd have to work around pregnancies, and I do agree with Stinky that a lot of women would likely get pregnant to get out of service. But fair is fair. Women are already serving as fighter-bomber pilots overhead. They're already serving as military medics in combat situations. There've been three courageous service awards given (two silver stars and a bronze, I think) to female medics in Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 100 of them have died in the line of duty to these wars. So it's already really happening, really. We might as well make it official.

I might also add there is a fine line between being chivalrous and being patronizing, especially these days. If I feel the person is trying to mask a condescending attitude with chivalry , I will reject it even if they think they are actually being nice about it. I guess it has to do with my attitude at the time. Sometimes I'm more accepting of help than other times.
My husband sometimes even over does it. Then comes the old "Don't patronize me, buddy! I'm not helpless!" But at least he tries.

As for women being on the front line I say wait until PMS sets in, give these women guns, and watch the men fall! What a release that would be!

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It was over 30 years ago, and I didn't get into it with the guy, but he looked like he'd been in military service himself. I think that he meant that the women were not pleasant to be with, for various reasons.

One of the strongest arguments against putting women in combat, or any dangerous occupation, is that men's lives are put at further risk because they tend to have a protective instinct toward females. I realize that the lunatic fringes of feminism are trying to eliminate this tendency in boys, but is this really what we want? It would probably make things worse.

I find the same thing to be true of my dad, Happiest. The patronizing thing versus chivalry, I mean. In his case, I think it's because, to him, I am still his baby and he wants to step in there and do things for me like he did when I was a kid. I'm all grown up now and don't need that. With my husband, it's easier to take because we're partners instead of parent and child. So the chivalry seems more courteous and less parental. Both of them call me "Baby," and I like it from Dave and could do without it from my dad. I'm well aware that this is an unfair double-standard on my part, but that's how it is.

For whatever reason, I suspect you'd have no qualms about asking for 'something special' from a woman sans punch in the jaw. If you make a shit-ton of money, you might be able to find a women with an IQ over 40 willing to listen that drivel for awhile. I wouldn't expect anything extraordinary from that type of person though. If you actually want to have conversations with intelligent people, you might consider presenting yourself in a more intelligent manner. If all you're after is 'interesting arguments,' you're right on track.

This is interesting. I get along fabulously with gay men. I like you, have a knack for picking the exact wrong dating partners. Maybe the appeal of gay people of the opposite sex is the impossibility of a sexual relationship.

And yeah, most of the moobs out there are pretty gross.

In response to that top part, that's interesting. His comment cracks me up for some reason.

In response to the bottom part, I can see why that might be a fairly strong argument, to be honest. The military men I know do indeed have a protective instinct toward women, and I suppose it could put them at risk in a combat situation in certain ways. I find that protective tendency, incidentally, very sexy, just like chivalry. Some women don't like that protectiveness, but I think you're right that they're the ones who aren't comfortable with femininity (or vulnerability).

In practice, from what I've seen in documentaries about military prep, if it's anything like paramilitary/fire and police training, and from what they taught us, that's what fire-police training is based on, that protective instinct is actively cultivated and trained into all the military "brothers" and "sisters."

The whole unit is drilled over and over at supporting and protecting each other in all sorts of situations. Your entire reason for being there is to back your brothers/sisters/partners up, support them, firefight or rescue alongside them, step in and save them if need be, serve the department together, and protect your fellow "soldiers" whether you like them personally or not. That's all part of the whole military "team" mentality. At least in theory it is.

I'd hope that a well trained combat soldier wouldn't necessarily sacrifice one gender over another, but I'm sure the situation could come up. Those male-female dynamics definitely have a way of sneaking in and changing things even when they're not supposed to. Maybe with enough time and training, it could work. Be interesting to me to see if it could. I think if things get worse in Afghanistan or with Russia or Iran in addition to Iraq, we're going to need to give serious consideration to both a draft and to females in combat. I'll get some flack from the no-wars-for-any-reason folks for saying that, but I think it's true.

I am changing my mind about a lot of things on this topic.

I felt the draft was always a good thing! We had it most of my young life!

I could never pass the physical agility of a fireperson, carry a 150 pound house up several flights of stairs! Any woman that can do that, even with a little training should be in the military and do what they can.

The above edification was very eye opening!

Somehow, "When Harry Met Sally" comes to mind!

Chilvalry can't be commanded or instructed because then it loses the essence of what it is. A genuine, compassionate act for a human being, generally for a member of the opposite sex, stereotyped as a man doing something for a woman. I will gladly offer my seat to a lady, old or young, though now i think about it, i feel less obliged to offer that seat to a man, unless he's old. If someone demanded my seat on the principal of chivalry, i wouldn't punch them in the jaw, but i'd think about it, while declining their generous offer. If some crazy woman wants to start swinging at me, momma said knock you out. Firstly, i'd block her and if she continued her assault, i would gladly show her the meaning of equality. Thinking you're above anyone because of your sex, that you can assault people and get away with it because the rule is 'never hit women' is ignorant. Ofcourse i'm not advocating violance against women or anyone, i'm a pascifist until the heat is brought and then i do what must be done. There are intelligent women as well as stupid, same goes for men. I couldn't have a political or philisophical conversation with my ex, it would go completely over her head, this doesn't make her stupid, she prefers other issues. Though it seems a lot of girls focus too much on what i believe to be trivial issues, such as hair and make up and shopping blah blah blah. Some women dress slutty and then get angry at the men who want them for sex, they say i'm not a whore, but they're wearing a whores uniform. I think men are more amusing then women, maybe because i'm a man. Though i've said a lot focus on trivial issues, others are too serious all the time, they need to let their hair down, go wacky, go crazy, lighten up, smoke a fucking joint! Some femal comediennes are funny, but the majority i find to be appauling. The cycle of opposite sex interaction continues. Women get paid less then men, life is a lot harder for women, i respect them wholeheartedly, well the ones that deserve respect.

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